THE TWILIGHT ZONE

Thanks for sharing A.R.

About your second to last post. What I was refering to is the Buddhist concept and belief in reincarnation, which is like to say that one is immortal. Is it not?

About your last post.

Why do you keep harping on Katrina? I never painted a "fixed" picture of her. Read the post. I stated that I felt that any visions one has pertaining to the future are flexible. Furthermore the spirit provided me with a suggestion of a possible out for her.

I do agree with you that I should not have mentioned it, but only because you decided do battle with me on the issue by bringing up incorrect statements over and over again.

Probably safer and wiser to not post.

Yes there is a belief in reincarnation .... but not in ultimate sense ...
Eternity is but it is no-body's achievement ...



Good ! ! !

From your earlier posts:
http://www.artforthemasses.us/castacon/ ... c&start=30


If you are such a brother-friend of Shaman Martin's what is your *intent* writing this kind of stuff ? Is it responsible to spread this kind of gossip if this isn't true ? ? ?

Are you not mindful that your actions are your gestures to spirit ?
Or are you not mindful of *your intent* in your actions ?

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So is one able to use the constant reality of ones imminent death as an advisor, with such a belief as a shield? It would seem to me that it would be rare that one would be able to maintain the same since of urgency, of intensity of the moment.

If you were to have stated, A.R., that I should not have mentioned such personal details about Katrina, I would now agree with you on that, although your lines of reasoning were incorrect with my posts.

About what people say about issues of shaman Martin, I really don't know. I was just sharing what I heard from various angles. As for me it is always good to consider various opinions and not walk around with blinders of loyalty.

"I see his brother-like friendship”, and I try to be courteous and objective with everyone. I do not have a great hunger for friendship. Was it not obvious to you that it was a back-handed way to state that I cannot yet see that he has (or does not have) shaman-like powers? That was meant to convey that for all I know he could be just any old bloke, but despite all that some of you are hard set on making a saint out of him. One of my intents in the thread was to provide objectivity, even along with my subjective impressions.

In general I felt compelled to share my experiences in the thread for abstract reasons that I still don't completely understand. That defines it as "spirit", in my personal semantics. I now see possible purposes that the thread might have served. I have had various omens this week from the spirit, that the time of the purpose of the thread has come to an end. It is true A.R., that it has become sticky by my trespassing a little to personally in sharing issues of persons of power. Thank you for pointing out some of those issues. So I have decided to delete the thread.

The objections that you raise to me, A.R., for the most part do not impress me, at least the way you present them, although there is some truth behind them as well. In any case those would be issues that I could have easily edited out. My reasons for ending the thread are mostly beyond that, and largely due to abstract cues.

Ouch!

You better not.

Many visitors are very much interested in this thread,

You seem to be close to something real.

Do not delete this thread, please.

"Oh what powers the spirit gives us...

to see ourselves as others see us."

It's already gone Blackbeard. Do you have a backup copy? I don't. It was some 28 or so columns.

If anyone wants to contact anyone whom I have mentioned, I can provide all the contact info. I will still be posting, and we might to get to hear experiences from others dealing with people and places that I have known in the last year.

I see Henry's reports on his experiences of 'shamanism' in Mexico, as a bold attempt to answer the challenge that Castaneda's remarkable artistry presents to us.

The challenge is: what do we do next? It is a question I have often posed about Castaneda. It is the same challenge presented by the Greek tragedians, or Plato or Shakespeare or Picasso.

Each is such an exemplary artistic achievement, such a tour de force in its genre, that artists thereafter, feel the heavy threat of being able to achieve nothing more than that of footnotes to the master.

Henry has answered the challenge of Castaneda in a rare manner. He chooses to report upon his experiences of 'shamanism' in Mexico, LIVE, cameras rolling, 'action!', on the internet before the 'public' of anyone on the planet.

One result of Henry's response is to refute the 'know nothings' of SR, who claim "its all made up." He is able to virtually demonstrate that what Castaneda reported is, at least in 'shamanic' circles, an everyday reality in Mexico. As he comments Castaneda's themes are palpably 'real' in Mexico.

Henry does not want to be praised, and I respect that. However in my book, his reportage has been both objective and honest. He has reported what occurred with Katrina, and what some have said about shaman Martin.

Henry finds now that Spirit directs him differently. That is solely the artist's call.

I believe that what we have witnessed in this disappearing thread, is remarkable. Henry has placed in his art, in his reportage, his truth. I personally judge it a worthy response to Castaneda.

I wish him well in whatever direction he goes.

No Henry, I don't have a backup...

But that's no way to moderate a forum, right?

You could have asked me first.

I've put your account here on ice...

Maybe I am able to repair some of the damage (there's Google cache and the Wayback Machine).

Weeellll, what’s past is past. But as

I fervently hope you can retrieve much of what is lost, Abe, and we continue with the Legends. I felt this thread was on its way to being a classic.

Well, Im one of the users that was reading this thread but did not get to finish it (or rather begin it - i was reading backwards). Im not so long here and it took me a while to find the thread, also i was reading it at certain times only. So, I pretty much know I missed some good stuff, and was telling myself i should have read it faster when i knew it was good. Nevetheless, I dont see the deletion as something bad. Things come and go. Anand, a.r, traveler, blackbeard, you have at least read what was written here.

If you manage to piece it together blackbeard, i know ill be reading it again (i checked google cache, it has the first 3 pages and some of the last ones that I have read + the index). If not, well hopefully there will be other interesting stuff.
Even if Henry were not the moderator he could have edited his posts out. Certainly nothing should be here when the user is not comfortable with it. Though I aslo think one should think about posting before one posts and not after . But as we are, sometimes we realize some things as we grow, things that we were not aware of before. If we go with the spirit it wont matter if we realize or not realize, it will be good. That is the only thing that surprised me, i thought Henry felt that he was going with the spirit by writing this thread, and he said that is how he saw it. Though, of course, it got very personal. When the spirit said stop with the thread i wouldnt have deleted all of it, but stopped writing or edited the too personal stuff out (but, i do not know what it said to Henry..). What is, is; what was, was.
We move on..

and blackbeard learned that it is a good thing to have backups

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don't stop
because you have not found your answer
and as you look into the eyes of the unknown
don't forget the intent you have come with

Quoting myself:
"Yes there is a belief in reincarnation .... but not in ultimate sense ...
Eternity is but it is no-body's achievement ..."

Henry:

It probably would be more accurate to explain this in a way as to say that karmicly we are likely to repeat the same old energy-patterns over and over again, until we wake up to ourselves, until we wake up to Greater Reality and thus grow up and grow out of our previously limited or limiting patterns.

(Also more or less repeating here the earlier, deleted post):
I think that what the Buddhists are saying rather; - is, that eternity ... like totality ... or like "the-ever-present-force" (or power) is here already, but the illusion of separateness i.e. ego in it's limited view and it's fantasy/ambition of one-upmanship in the world(s) is not going to realize this, instead .... the ego gets caught up in an endless dual struggle of hope and fear ... (Hope that one will gain a "mastership" over *_________* , or hoping to get *there, the other side, where grass is greener* ....... fearing that one doesn't).

Spiritual materialism .... ego separateness, limitation and ambition, and it's dual struggle of hope and fear is not seen as "the freedom path" ....

Spiritual materialism in the "1st attention" could be described as wishing to live up to some kind of perfected self-image of a concept, which is a very simple minded approach .... but since; - for ego there is only one game in town, that of it's own validation and fortification .... what do you think happens, when egoic-mind wants to become a "sorcerer" in "2nd attention" ?

The ego-oriented effort will just become yet another form of spiritual materialism. Ego tripping one-upmanship and thus gets caught in a wheel of needing to become more and more ..... Instead of cultivating awareness which allows "2nd attention" type of things happen naturally and spontaneously, (by constantly letting go .... not clinging to them) .... ego in it's fantasy of mastership starts to cling and goes into a tunnel-vision about this kind of stuff ... ignoring totality .... or the big picture ....

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As I said in the earlier deleted post .... I always imagined that people with the ability to "see" would have an edge to realizing this kind of stuff, but since the ego cannot think outside the square it is in, this clearly was giving credit to where credit was/is not due.
Because "seeing" belongs to that "2nd attention" area and as such (even though it is beyond reason, therefore doubts) ... "seeing" still is subject to our mind's (past, conditioning, program, ego hopes & fears etc. etc. etc.) interpretation .... hence distortions ..... and distorted actions (ego-mind only blindly reacts).

Didn't DJ in CC books say that "stalking" was a preferred method of the "new seers" ?
Why was this, (I can't remember what was said) ?

Didn't DJ in CC books also talk about entering into 3rd attention (not 2nd attention) for freedom ? ? ?
Why do you think this was so ?

This 3rd attention sounds closer to spirituality.
When stalking one's own AP movements .... then when one's AP has shifted to the luminosity itself (luminous cocoon) direct-inner-knowing is about these luminous "strands" aligning with other strands. Alignment IS direct inner knowing .... alignment is also non-duality, this is also *one spirit* "experience" (if one can now call it "experience"). If in *one spirit* you non-dually directly know within .... a spiritual elder ..... then you will know him or her and his/her intent in question more intimately than intimate and as such you do not need to resort to seek local gossipers as your avenue of "knowledge".

Here not being knowledgeable about this so called, CC or DJ coined "3rd attention" (so there is an open question-mark here). But if I assuuuuume, that it is what I think it is, then it is a state where you are fully awake and fully asleep all at the same time .... i.e. we will begin to see the dreamlike quality of our awaking reality really clearly .... and then the lucid dream states become more like complimentary "seeing" situations about "Spirit Intent" .... as there IS an AP which transcends both 1st and 2nd attentions i.e. it is an AP beyond them both yet encompassing them both (like alignment does ... like non-duality does).... Thus this "3rd attention" (?) therefore also sounds like totality ..... totality of our energetic situation (already in place, we just need to realize this) ... "3rd attention" as the bigger picture where the "1st and 2nd attentions" .... the 2 necessary complimentary functions operate in alignment with ...

In that state, one can light up all one's "strands" i.e. align them (one's own totality) with Totality at large i.e. Eternity .... Spirit .... Awareness can do this .... ego-limitation, even in it's one-upmanship 2nd attention shape-shifters .... Superman, Spider-man or Sorcerer suit flying and yahooing about cannot. Even those "fireballs" can be tricked, as ego-energy-pattern is so predictable in it's limitation.

All this "2nd attention" stuff becomes a tool for higher-self-guidance when we properly align with Spirit, "2nd attention" stuff is not an end in itself.
Egoic-mind with no understanding and ego's consort fear-paranoia-intensity can also produce lots of "seeing" ...... seeing that is terribly, terribly distorted, thus these people become ego-paranoia-evangelists, the very dark shadow casters themselves, "other-dimensionally" .... the dark they in all "honest and innocent" ego-mode tell they are so against.

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In Tantric Buddhist path, whatever our neurosis .... be it our aggressions, passions or lust .... these can be brought into the path and transcended. F.e.x. when compassion intensifies .... that intensity becomes wrathful .... Tantric path is to learn to dance with or "ride" the intensity and immediacy of our energies.

Ghost Dog by the sounds of him didn't appreciate "naguals with their pants down telling others they are going to die".
I don't either.
IMO there are better ways to deal with intensity. It is the ego-energy-patten which dies, dualism which dies .... for us to enter into the totality of ourselves and this totality then can align with Great Totality i.e. Eternity. But that is the last thing egoic mind wants .... so this CC's "2nd attention freedom path and power" is a nice seduction for the ego.
(By which I don't mean to say that in CC books there isn't inspirational stuff for "transcendence" as well.)

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I really miss those reports from our man in Tenancingo. Sure hope Abe can work something out.

I am thinking about inviting Henry back.

But how can I be sure he won't get another order of the Spirit to remove everything he ever wrote here?

And did anyone happen to save his 25 pages long thread whole?

Now that would be nice.

Btw, I once asked LoneWolf why he doesn't allow for posts to be edited on his site. Well, now I know...

You are headed in the right direction, Abe.

And, yes, the spirit works in mysterious ways (heheh!).