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Post subject: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 15:12 |
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The oldest written description of Van Schaffelaar's actions is found in a chronicle from 1698 by the historian Antonius Matthaeus of Utrecht. According to this chronicle, on July 16, 1482, Hook troops from castle Rosendael near Arnhem under the command of Jan van Schaffelaar got into conflict with Cod troops from Amersfoort and Nijkerk. The troops from Rosendael captured the church and tower of the village of Barneveld, but they were shot at with cannons, killing four or five. After negotiations, their opponents stated that they would accept their surrender only if the defenders would throw their commander from the tower. The men were unwilling to do so, but Van Schaffelaar stated that he would have to die some day and that he did not want to cause his men trouble. Having said this, he put his hands to his sides and jumped off the tower. Despite the great height of the tower he was not immediately killed, but was finished off by his enemies. Other versions expand on this account by stating that the troops under Van Schaffelaar were promised safe passage from the tower. In some versions, the demand was that Van Schaffelaar be turned in. Van Schaffelaar surprised his opponents by turning himself in in such a way that he would not be alive for long. When the church was restored in 1978, remains were found that suggest that Van Schaffelaar was shot after his fall, causing a pin from his visor to enter his skull. He died because of internal bleeding caused by his fall or a blow from a weapon. He was initially buried in a mass grave near the tower and later transferred to the family grave of the Hackfort family in the choir of the church (Prins 1981, 1982). Jan van Schaffelaar became a minor Dutch hero. He features in several novels and poems, De Schaapherder by J.F. Oltmans and Hasse Simonsdochter by Thea Beckman being some of the better known ones. On September 15, 1903, among great festivities, a statue was erected in his honour near the tower that he jumped from. It was hewn by Bart van Hove after a design by H. ten Ham E. Jzn. According to some sources Jan van Schaffelaar's name was actually Jan van Domselaar. He acquired his better known name through his marriage. Jan van Schaffelaar is sometimes written as Jan van Schaffelaer or Jan van Scaffelaer (archaic). - from wikipedia article
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 17:28 |
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Now what's interesting here is this: why did 'our' Jan van Schaffelaar choose that username?
_________________ Zoom! What was that? That was your life, Mate! That was quick, do I get another? Sorry, Mate. Back to the world of dreams. Yes, dear? ...
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 14:47 |
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He was a typical Dutch military hero; idolized for committing suicide. It’s unfortunate that US military heroes can't be more like that.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 15:27 |
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With 'our' I meant the one posting here.
As far as I can tell, our 'Jan' is still alive and kicking.
_________________ Zoom! What was that? That was your life, Mate! That was quick, do I get another? Sorry, Mate. Back to the world of dreams. Yes, dear? ...
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 14:38 |
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I was sure that he had made more than one post here (wherever here is) but I wasn’t aware that he was known for kicking.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 18:26 |
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You were not aware of his kicking?
Heh, he will be back soon, and maybe show you what I meant.
I think kicking people was one of his major characteristics.
_________________ Zoom! What was that? That was your life, Mate! That was quick, do I get another? Sorry, Mate. Back to the world of dreams. Yes, dear? ...
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 14:41 |
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 Church that the non-kicking Jan jumped off of while not kicking.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:54 |
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I just don't believe in giving up. Better to jump than to surrender. One will die in both ways anyway. The gain then will be in the indestructible...will.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:00 |
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So..that's why..Robbie..I took the board name of Jan van Schaffelaar. Because of his courage and determination. A true Hollander alike. And don't you forget it.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 14:43 |
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It’s so sad. US military heroes always tend to be remembered for winning rather than making sacrifices for the people they lead and jumping off of things. The US has disgraced itself in the eyes of the rest of the world by becoming full of itself and ‘resting on its laurels’ as the Romans used to say.
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:10 |
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Hi! Has Jan van been found yet or is he still among the missing? 
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:18 |
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he's sitting upon on his laurels.. 
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 15:28 |
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My own place of hardly any pity 
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 22:24 |
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It also is good for swatting flies buzzing your food at Denny's!
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Post subject: Re: The defenestration of Jan van Schaffelaer Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 15:12 |
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I'm here..Rash. Thx for informing about it. I'm here again..and people are going to know about it. Take it from me.
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